I don’t personally like slavery, but who am I to tell you what to do with your own property?

A few days ago I made the point that every single argument commonly made in support of abortion is directly parallel to arguments people used to make in defense of slavery. Naturally, this assertion was met with outrage and indignation by a bunch of avid abortion fans. Strangely, not a single one of them could exactly explain WHY my point was invalid, instead opting to whine about it without proffering an actual response. For their benefit, I thought I’d take the time to fully flesh out the comparison between pro-slavers and “pro-choicers.” Behold.

Arguments commonly made in support of slavery and abortion:

Appeal to privacy: “Well, I don’t personally endorse or condone slavery, but who am I to tell someone what to do with their own property?”
Appeal to privacy: “Well, I personally object to abortion, but who am I to tell someone what to do with their own body?”

Appeal to the superseding right: “My property rights come before the rights of a slave.”
Appeal to the superseding right: “My reproductive rights come before the rights of a fetus.”

Appeal to popular sovereignty: “States can decide for themselves if they want slavery. If a state doesn’t like slavery, they don’t have to have it.”
Appeal to personal sovereignty: “Don’t like abortion? Don’t have one.”

Appeal to inevitability: “Slavery has been around for thousands of years, it’s never going to go away. We might as well have a safe and legal system in place for it.”
Appeal to inevitability: “Abortion has been around forever, it’s never going to go away. We might as well have a safe and legal system for it.”

Appeal to faux-science: “Slaves aren’t really people. They aren’t like us. Look at them — they’re physically different, therefore we are human and they are not. They don’t have the same rights as white people.”
Appeal to faux-science: “Unborn babies aren’t really people: they’re fetuses. Look at them — they’re physically undeveloped. Therefore, we are fully human and they are not. They don’t have the same rights as born people.”

Appeal to economic concerns: “The economy relies on slavery. It would be a financial disaster if it ever came to an end.”
Appeal to economic concerns: “The tax base is strained already, most of these babies would end up on welfare. It would be a financial disaster if abortion came to an end.”

Appeal to the courts: “Slavery was vindicated by the Supreme Court in Dredd Scott. It’s already been decided, there’s no point in arguing it. Nine men in robes said that blacks are property, and so that settles it.”
Appeal to the courts: “Abortion was vindicated by the Supreme Court in Roe v Wade. It’s already been decided, there’s no point in arguing. Nine people in robes said that fetuses aren’t people, and so that settles it.”

Appeal to faux-compassion: “Slavery is in the best interest of Africans. They can’t function in the real world, they need to be protected and guided by the white man.”
Appeal to faux-compassion: “Abortion is merciful. These babies are unwanted. They would have a miserable life. Better to help them avoid it all together.”

Appeal to the Bible: “Slavery isn’t condemned in the Bible. If it’s wrong, Jesus would have specifically said so, but He didn’t.”
Appeal to the Bible: “Abortion isn’t condemned in the Bible. If it’s wrong, Jesus would have specifically said so, but He didn’t.”

There you have it. You’re free to jump onto the same ethical bandwagon as slavers and plantation owners, but you’re not free to hide from the reality of your own position. If you argue for abortion, everything you say on the subject is essentially a mad lib of what a 19th century slave owner would have said to defend his own favorite institution. This may be an inconvenient and upsetting reality, but it’s the reality all the same. Deal with it. But don’t cry about it. You chose to side with baby killing, now you must own it and everything that comes with it.

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22 Responses to I don’t personally like slavery, but who am I to tell you what to do with your own property?

  1. jose says:

    Keep writing the truth. I love this blog

  2. Holly says:

    Then your head should be about ready to explode after reading Pelosi’s comments blasting the bill to prohibit late term abortions…because she’s a practicing and respectful Catholic.

  3. Helene says:

    Dang, this is good.

  4. Sammi says:

    I couldn’t find absolute evidence to support this assumption, but I’m writing this comment based on the assumption you’re a Christian. I apologize if I’m wrong.

    It bothers me that you call pro-choicers “avid abortion fans,” as though we’re a bunch of maniacs who smile and cheer for the death of babies. I can assure you that’s not the case for any pro-choice person I know.

    I don’t make a lot of those arguments, but I have some thoughts about a few.

    ‘Appeal to inevitability: “Slavery has been around for thousands of years, it’s never going to go away. We might as well have a safe and legal system in place for it.”
    Appeal to inevitability: “Abortion has been around forever, it’s never going to go away. We might as well have a safe and legal system for it.”‘

    I think it’s perfectly logical to disagree with the first argument and agree with the second. The system in place for slavery was far from safe and caused people to have hellish lives. The legal system for abortion SAVES people from having hellish lives–women who get pregnant from rape; women who are mentally, psychiatrically, financially or physically incapable of surviving childbirth and taking care of a child; children who would be born into a world of starvation, poverty of both money and spirit, drug abuse, etc.

    And the comment I just made brings us to this one:

    ‘Appeal to faux-compassion: “Slavery is in the best interest of Africans. They can’t function in the real world, they need to be protected and guided by the white man.”
    Appeal to faux-compassion: “Abortion is merciful. These babies are unwanted. They would have a miserable life. Better to help them avoid it all together.”’

    Obviously, the first statement is a downright lie. We all know that, and the people saying it at the time probably knew that, too. The statement about abortion is true. I think it’s better for some babies to not be brought into a world that can’t care for them. I don’t know when babies stop being a clump of cells and when they get a soul, but assuming (which I don’t) babies get their soul at the moment of fertilization, isn’t it better for them to get to be with Jesus than be born to parents who don’t know him, and never meet him? That’s why, even though I mourned for her death, I thank God a child I cared for in an orphanage died at 2. I had to leave her and had no idea if she’d be raised to know Christ. I know she’s with Him now and that’s indisputably better.

    ‘Appeal to faux-science: “Slaves aren’t really people. They aren’t like us. Look at them — they’re physically different, therefore we are human and they are not. They don’t have the same rights as white people.”
    Appeal to faux-science: “Unborn babies aren’t really people: they’re fetuses. Look at them — they’re physically undeveloped. Therefore, we are fully human and they are not. They don’t have the same rights as born people.”’

    Again, the first statement is a downright lie and we all know it. The second one–how do you define what is and isn’t a person based on development? Looking different is ENTIRELY different from being at a different level of development. I’ve heard a lot of Christians say that you’re a person at conception because you have potential to be a person. In that case, every time women complete a menstrual cycle and every wet dream a guy has is murder. I’ve heard others say that the combination of a sperm’s DNA and the oocyte’s DNA creates a genetically new and previously unknown creation, and that is why it is murder. Cancer cells could be described that way, too. Is targeting a malignant tumor with chemo and radiation unethical?

    Now, I am highly against abortions past 20 weeks, when the fetus can feel pain. But from the medical perspective, a pregnancy isn’t even attempted to be saved in emergencies if it’s before 20 weeks. If a 12-weeks-pregnant woman presents with placental abruption or an ectopic pregnancy, it’s not considered an abortion when you allow it to “die”. It’s medical malpractice not to, because it is literally impossible for it to survive outside a viable womb (both abruption and ectopic mean the womb is not viable). That just does not compare to saying a black person is less human than a white person.

    You do a good job making people who are pro-life feel vindicated, smarter, and holier than pro-choice people with this blog entry, but the whole concept is based on a logical fallacy. I am pro-choice. I am anti-slavery. Reading this did absolutely nothing to convince me otherwise.

    Finally, as a Christian I must ask: how is spending your time writing blogs that guilt-trip those whose opinions differ from yours winning any souls? I know this comment won’t change your mind about politics, but I do hope this final point makes you stop and think. In Jesus’ ministry, he first shows grace, and then calls for repentance. You’re showing no grace by writing in this way, and it’s not going to do anyone living without Jesus any good. I don’t know you, and I don’t know how you treat people in real life, but I am praying you are an outpouring of love before you’re an outpouring of judgment. If you’re not, you’re giving my God a bad name.

    • Jesse Williams says:

      Hi. Just a few comments on your arguments. You said “abortion SAVES people from having hellish lives”… I was born to two drug abusing parents. My mom was murdered when I was a small child and my dad continued to abuse drugs and survive on welfare. I endured a very difficult childhood. Today, I’m married to a wonderful, God-fearing woman and have a beautiful 2 month old baby girl who reminds me daily of Gods love for me. I can only thank God that my mom didn’t think the way you do and abort me to “save me from having a hellish life”. The problem with the way you think is that it makes YOU the decider of the outcome of someone’s life instead of God.

      You said that with the argument that life begins at conception it follows that menstrual cycles and wet dreams are murder. This doesn’t follow at all, actually, because there is no conception in either menstrual cycles or wet dreams. Also, cancer isn’t a human. It’s ok to kill cancer because cancer kills people. People are the most dignified of all Gods creation and should be treated as such. And sense it is God who creates life, we should tremble at the thought of taking it into our own hands based on our judgement of what is best.

      Lastly, there is a big difference between speaking the truth in love and judging people. Tolerance doesn’t mean being ok with everyones views on particular issues and keeping your mouth shut about it; it means defending to the death a persons right to have that view and express it as they wish. To say that the blogger in this case is giving God a bad name is a manipulating way of telling him to keep his mouth shut and conform to your backwards definition of tolerance. Jesus consistently spoke out against peoples thinking errors and the blogger is simply doing the same.

      My prayer for you is that you would not be conformed to this worlds view of abortion, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

      • Rachel says:

        Jesse, I couldn’t have said it better. Thank you for writing this.

        I was born to a very young teen who had been abused, with a father who was an extreme addict. He drug her to Planned Parenthood TWICE to abort me. Her own physician told her to get an abortion because she needed an emergency appendectomy and “the fetus cannot survive anyway”.

        She died and was resuscitated on the operating table while delivering me. I was born without a heartbeat.

        I later became profoundly deaf.

        According to Pro-Choice arguments: my life was not valuable enough to be saved. My mother’s life would have been hellish had she been “forced” to continue carrying me.

        In fact… my birth set in motion a plan for my mother to rescue me, and thereby rescue HERSELF from the abusive situation.

        I had an amazing childhood. With a mother (and later, a loving and supportive stepfather), who valued me and would never have retrospectively decided to end my life for their convenience.

        To put it bluntly, I was every single one of those “pro-choice” arguments: born to a teen mother in an abusive situation, a threat to her life, and later a disabled drain on her (though never on “society”). Instead of allowing for HUMANS to be successful, others would prefer she play GOD and kill the life that is part of her.

        Well, for every single argument of yours supporting my fetal death: I give you a happily married woman who has a miracle baby of her own, and who succeeds professionally and personally despite deafness. I am every bit as valuable as you and your convenience.

        Thank you for writing this Matt.

    • Penny says:

      What about Dr. Kermit Gosnell’s abortion clinic? I don’t think that was a safe place for women to have abortions. Not saying they are all like that, but legal abortion does not equal safe abortion.
      Most Christians say life begins at conception because of what the Bible says. Christians shouldn’t have more faith in science than in the Word of God.
      The unique cells made by cancer have a full set of DNA and even if two cancer cells join it won’t give rise to a human.
      It is inane and far-reaching to say discarded germline cells constitutes murder. Germline cells discarded through menstruation and ejaculation aren’t stem cells so they can’t be anything except egg or sperm. However, egg and sperm together are capable of forming any cell type-they can become something new.
      The author does NOT attack or shame women who have had an abortion. He’s not outpouring judgement. He is offering a well-structured argument paralleling abortion and slavery. He is allowed as a Christian to share his views. If he is holier than thou in his position, a loving rebuke goes much further than a scathing critique and the “you’re giving my God a bad name” line. You don’t know how God will choose to use this posting.

      • Lois says:

        Actually I can’t understand why supporters of abortion do not want abortion clinics inspected for cleanliness and safety. If they truly cared about these women as they claim they do, wouldn’t they want inspections?

    • Mark says:

      As a Christian I must ask, how can you be a Christian and pro-choice?

    • Andrew Harris says:

      The legal system was “safe” for slavery because it was safe for the white people, just the same as now it is safe for the mother of the unborn child. The white people didn’t want to give up their easy lives by losing their slaves, and now mothers don’t want to give up their easy lives by having to raise a child.
      The people saying ‘Appeal to faux-compassion: “Slavery is in the best interest of Africans. They can’t function in the real world, they need to be protected and guided by the white man.”‘ Where saying that as an excuse to own slaves for their benefit, the white people had the ability to enslave them and so they did. Now people saying abortion is ‘merciful’ are just using that as an excuse to throw away an unwanted baby, not because it is right, but because it is convenient.
      ‘Appeal to faux-science: “Slaves aren’t really people. They aren’t like us. Look at them — they’re physically different, therefore we are human and they are not. They don’t have the same rights as white people.” If you think this is a well known lie, then you are extremely uneducated. This is the theory of evolution. Adolf Hitler complained that during the Olympic Games his contestants were competing with animals such as Jesse Owens, he believed in Arian supremacy, just as slave owners believed in white supremacy, just as abortionists believe in mother supremacy, and evolutionists believe in race/personal supremacy. We humans are supposed to believe in God supremacy, that is the way of a Christian. How is a wet dream murder without conception? Conception is the key act that makes a difference and not just a sperm. This blog isn’t a guilt-trip, but if you feel guilty then maybe you Sammi need to reevaluate your life, the point of being a Christian is to follow Gods Word, and as an outpour of love it would be the right thing to do to save both mother and child. Love is selflessness. I would ask exactly who your god is. It doesn’t seem to be the same as the author of the Bible.

    • Paul says:

      Sammi, I take issue with a lot of what you write here, but I wanted to respond to your last paragraph. Jesus spoke out against sin. He calls us to do the same. Jesus could not and did not call people to repent or show the need for his grace without first pointing to sin. There is nothing wrong with Christians calling sin ‘sin’, which is what this does. Jesus did not tell us to accept or overlook sin. How can we call people to repentance and show Jesus’ grace for us without first showing the need for each?

    • lunchbox92 says:

      Sammi, There’s plent in what you write here that I could find fault with. However, I’ll just respond to your last paragraph here. Yes, Jesus called people to repent. To do this, he had to point out sin. Our God does not ask us to accept or overlook sin, just as Jesus himself did not; God calls us to point out sin where it exists, that people may repent and see their need for God’s grace. To criticize others for calling wrong ‘wrong’ is just silly.

    • Kirtis says:

      you are a faux Christian because you base your ideas oh your secular humanistic reasoning rather than on the reveal Word. We know that the fetus is person because the Words says that it is. Thus it is murder. If you can not see that then your not yet capable of facing the fundamental facts of the faith you ‘claim’ to follow. Your liberal Jesus is pretty useless I must say. He can’t seem answer on modern moral question using his own Word and must have all our secular and faux science to help him. I can be kind to unbelievers in a discussion, but to treat this as a battle that is won simply because people like you rationalize around politely is quite ignorant. Unless the Holy Spirit convicts, no polite discussion or arguments will make any difference either. Ask John the Baptist what his problem was and then explain why everyone has to sound like you ‘righteous’ liberal Christians in order to be useful. I leave the useful judgements to God. As for you, I won’t condemn you, but your own words will judge you because you place them above the scriptures.

    • For you to say that it is better for some babies to be with Jesus rather than in a world that wouldn’t care for them is as far from Christianity as you can get. That would mean that God didn’t create that baby with purpose or in His image. You think God creates children to be conceived for a few weeks and sent right back to him?

  5. Yes, fetuses are slaves. Set them free! Oh, wait…

  6. Sammi, as a Christian, I have never won a single soul. I just try to live my life as a good Christian witness. Christ is the only one who has won souls, and he won those souls on the cross. You ask him why he’s wasting his time ‘guilt-tripping’ those whose opinions differ from his. Well, I can’t answer for why he’s wasting his time but I suspect we are on the same page. I’m wasting my time because I deplore how our country has murdered millions of its weakest citizens. I’m not trying to make anyone feel bad, and I suspect that’s not his goal either. My model is William Wilberforce, who resorted to nothing more than political influence to change the moral climate of his nation.

    So, when does life begin? Well, if not at conception, when? It can be nothing but superstition which dictates that a “fetus” becomes a person when it leaves the womb. Why should position have anything to do with it? It’s similarly arbitrary to ban 20 week abortions because the baby can feel pain (although I, of course, support these bans as well). Why should the capacity to feel pain be the qualification for personhood? Anesthetics cannot annul personhood. Neither would you argue that it’s permissible to kill someone who has the inability to feel pain. Again, why is viability outside the womb the deciding factor? No infant is able to care for itself. This does not justify abandonment (a common Roman practice). This kind of thinking leads to infanticide as men like Francis Schaeffer pointed out decades ago.

    What’s more arbitrary as a qualification for personhood – The amount of melanin in the skin or position outside the womb? I have a hard time deciding.

    You say you are a Christian. As a brother in Christ, I implore you to give up defending Moloch and love justice and mercy, which God desires more than sacrifices.

    AHA

  7. Richelle says:

    What an intuitive & real way to present the “attitudes” as they really are! Right on!

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  9. Amanda says:

    This is awesome! The only one I don’t agree with is the last one…take it or leave it, the Bible does speak against murder and abortion is murder…

  10. bertine says:

    I just thank God for the educated Christians..I pray that the Lord open the spiritual eyes of the pro-choice people especially you Sammi, because God created life and no one has the right to take it away…Who are we to take life away to say “this is my body” nope it is not your body. It is God who creates life not human but the almighty one…It is time for this nation to open its eyes, Jesus is coming back soon and what will you say when you come before the white throne ” the last day of the judgment of God” you will be going to hell if you don’t repent of your sins…Yes God is love but his wrath is fire and Hell is eternal…Get your life right with God repent of your sins ” arbotion is a sin and it’s murder so in the last day you will not escape hell because God will not take any excuses… I pray that the Lord will give you a change of heart my friend..

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